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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700370">(Jul 05 2019 at 10:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> -- so I just read the transcript from weekly meeting yesterday. I think we should hold a meeting today, but expect it to be very lightly attended -- perhaps just us two =) </p>
<p>Normally we would do a planning meeting and I think we should do a sort of planning -- but it won't take long to schedule meetings, as there aren't many options. So maybe we can touch base on some of these other things (and people can chime in with thoughts if they're around):</p>
<ul>
<li>Triage working group: should we try to kick something off? Can we get more specific about what we think there?</li>
<li>Month of July/August -- what planning do we need to do to prep for you being on parental leave for 2 months? I'll also be away. We already sync'd some with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> (though we should firm up those plans), but maybe there are other things to discuss?</li>
</ul>
<p>Also, regarding rescheduling the meeting, that seems good. I don't love having it on Friday either. We can either pick a time unilaterally or create a doodle poll, something like that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700647" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700647">(Jul 05 2019 at 11:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> , that sounds great.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700650">(Jul 05 2019 at 11:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>  ^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700658">(Jul 05 2019 at 11:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess also:</p>
<ul>
<li>Should we hold some further meeting on triage next week (at whatever time)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700665">(Jul 05 2019 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would note that the current slot:</p>
<ul>
<li>Is super early on US west coast</li>
<li>Is saturday in NZ :)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169700715" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169700715">(Jul 05 2019 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(We'll never get a single perfect slot, of course.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169710762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169710762">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> -- meeting, but I've got an urgent call to wrap up, so 5 minute</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711034">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ohai!</p>
<p>HackMD document: <a href="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view">https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711059" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711059">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is probably not today's agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711066">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>see niko's note at top</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711178">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh; hehe;</p>
<blockquote>
<p>but expect it to be very lightly attended -- perhaps just us two =) </p>
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<p>Seems there are more than 2 folks ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711194" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Esteban Küber <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711194">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>(One thing that's been brought up before and I'd like to quickly address is having per WG P-labels to ease conversations)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711197">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>(the reasons being 1. we had intended for each monthly cycle to start with a planning meeting, and 2. we were not sure attendance for today's meeting will be at the level we'd like for a proper discussion of the maintenance/triage topic)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711332" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711332">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>((In particular I am not sure we would want to hold the maintenance/triage meeting with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span>  or <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> absent. But hey, on the other hand, if people are clamoring to have that talk, we can at least get the conversation <em>started</em> today.))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711340">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I'm back.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711344">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sorry about that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711388">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>If we are going to talk triage, cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span>  and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711494" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711494">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> , maybe we can try to cover the most pressing matters at the outset</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711502">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well I had listed three possible agenda items:</p>
<ul>
<li>(Re-)scheduling any upcoming meetings (notably, a dedicated meeting arond)</li>
<li>Checking in on plans for the summer -- what prep work do we need to do</li>
<li>Adjusting the time of this meeting for the future</li>
<li>Can we start some kind of triage group, as discussed? (which overlaps with a dedicated meeting)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711519">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree we should probably sort, that is in no particular order</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711524" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711524">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then given that we do have a number of people present, we could try to work-steal items from the triage/maintanance doc as needed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711588">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think most pressing question is plans for summer with both you and I absent. as you noted above, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> has already said they can step up to run the Thursday meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711592" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711592">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Seems good -- I propose we start by briefly discussing the timing for this meeting going forward. It seems like there is a lot of interest in picking a new time.</p>
<p>I propose that I create a doodle, we advertise it here and over e-mail, wait until Monday, and then pick a new time based on that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711639">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh okay I'm going to let you steer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711654" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711654">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Reviewing stalls are the thing that bother me most in people being absent.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711673">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Presuming that seems fine, then I agree <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> checking in on the immediate plans is a good next thing to discuss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711721">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I'm going to assume everyone agrees to that plan =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711751" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711751">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Especially the Zoxc situation, when we are losing the full scale work from a senior developer .</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711756">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>is there an email for T-compiler/meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711757">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>In terms of absence, we have at least the following extended absences coming up:</p>
<ul>
<li><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> for 2 months</li>
<li><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> for ~1 month (but I will likely do some work the week of July 22)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711766">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Due to lack of reviewing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711822">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Incidentally, I'm not sure how much <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116010">@Aaron Turon</span> has communicated this, but he has been reviewing and reading into the parallel compilation code.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711831">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> this sounds pretty bad; I think t-compiler reviewership rate is already bad</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711834" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711834">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I was meaning to ping him today (over in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="187679" href="/#narrow/stream/187679-t-compiler.2Fwg-parallel-rustc">#t-compiler/wg-parallel-rustc</a>) to discuss his thoughts)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711867">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I know Zoxc has a number of other PRs that don't fit into that category)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711900">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(The bus factor on the infer/traits code in the compiler is also low)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711972">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm. Should we try to do an audit of all open T-compiler PRs? (Not "live")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169711983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169711983">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Reviewing is interesting because it has a relationship to triage but is distinct from the concerns we've been discussing. I agree it's been hard to stay on top of it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712000" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712000">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>the first bullet on the <a href="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view">maintenance/triage hackmd doc</a> says "are there topics we should cover not on this list" ; sounds like "keeping up with reviews is one I need to add.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712005">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Indeed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712065">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, it's good if y'all have some way to tell T-release about when T-compiler members are on vacation, etc. so that we can reassign PRs and such.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712069">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that some of the problem there is also what the design meetings were <em>intended</em> to address -- i.e., particularly for bigger refactoring PRs, there aren't a lot of design documents available, making reviewing quite hard.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712091">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>btw, it's good if y'all have some way to tell T-release about when T-compiler members are on vacation, etc.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>why don't we create a calendar on the compiler-team repo?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712096">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>so wifi is down in the office and I took my time switching to a phone hotspot....</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712106">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>although ultimately seems like something that would be nice to add to the team repo in general</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712150" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712150">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Still, i'd like to focus on actions we can take over next week to lay groundwork. There are basically two things to consider:</p>
<ul>
<li>revising existing PRs</li>
<li>reviewing new PRs that come in</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712209">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't have much of a better idea for existing PRs than to try and do a survey and work through it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712230">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>the most obvious thing I can think of is to make reviewing the PR review queue part of weekly pre-triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712243">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>so that the triager can potentially reassign things that haven't gotten addressed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712248" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712248">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>weekly pre-triage already seems stretched</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712251">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I am somewhat loathe to make that task even bigger</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712253" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712253">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes exactly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712254">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>confirm to all those things :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712264">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>still the answer might be to parallelize</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712269" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712269">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>so that the triager can potentially reassign things that haven't gotten addressed.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this is T-release's job, I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712285" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712285">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to say, there is already some effort to do this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712296">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>its T-release's job to reassign PR's in review queue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712300">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>  yes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712302">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712311">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>If T-release knows who to reassign to we can do it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712359" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712359">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>of course knowing whom to reassign to is itself an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712362">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we need to know "Who are the experts?" (experts map should help)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712369">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I had a thought about this recently:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712372">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, in theory we have this map in part for this reason</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712379">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>if any topic is important enough/big enough to have a label</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712385" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712385">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>then there should be an owner for that label</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712392">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I’m here now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712399">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>someone who knows enough to re-delegate tickets+PR's in that area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712407" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712407">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>We also need an <code>@rfcbot roll</code> command, selecting an arbitrary reviewer from the team, but not the previous one <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712418" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712418">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>We also need an <code>@rfcbot roll</code> command, selecting an arbitrary reviewer from the team, but not the previous one :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was going to suggest that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712435">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span>  seems like <code>r? @rust-lang/compiler</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712457">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but reassigning to random t-compiler members is suboptimal; I can often do better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712463">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Or rather high-five bot.)<br>
Yes, <code>r? @rust-lang/compiler</code> is what I used a few times, but the bot doesn't understand it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712523" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712523">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>but reassigning to random t-compiler members is suboptimal; I can often do better</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah this is why I was thinking having official way to narrow based on label(s) would be good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712544" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712544">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span>  <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/highfive/issues/187" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/highfive/issues/187">https://github.com/rust-lang/highfive/issues/187</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712551" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712551">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we had this experts map that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> made, which is machine readable, but some work needs to be done to fill it out more completely.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712626">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Tooling improvements aside, I think that there are two actionable things here:</p>
<ul>
<li>Reviewing existing PRs</li>
<li>Reviewing the <em>expert map</em> and trying to figure out what reviewers exist, see if we can ensure it is complete</li>
</ul>
<p>As <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> pointed out, I think the bus factor is a big problem here, but not one that is <em>easily</em> solved.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712669">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, if there is a mapping from every  label to an entry on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/experts/map.toml" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/experts/map.toml">the experts map</a> then my idea would be implementable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712708">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Looking at <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/experts/map.toml" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/experts/map.toml">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/experts/map.toml</a> it feels pretty sparse on many items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712711" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712711">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. there's just <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span> on many things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712734">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>where are all the compiler team contributors on this list? (the new sub-team)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712744">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to say, I think they are missing :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712813">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, no one knows anything about Libs.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712831">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>the bus factor on libs is probably higher</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712838">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>except for some specific places</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712839">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but its a work-in-progress, so hey)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712886">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like we've reached a kind of "stasis" on this topic of reviewing. I was wondering if we should shift to talk about the idea of a "triage WG".  This basically stems from the observation that, right now, triage is mostly done by <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> alone, in the "pre meeting" -- this causes problems when (e.g.) pnkfelix cannot be there for some reason. We were discussing the idea of trying to get some kind of larger group started.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712950">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>There was also the idea of ICE-breakers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712963" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712963">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>t-release's triage-wg had their first meeting yesterday iirc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712967">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(o/)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169712978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169712978">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I tend to do pre-triage before I drive the meeting as well.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713006">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes. There is one other related thing, around the meta WG. I've been thinking for a bit that perhaps the role of that group -- which was initially to try and design wg setup etc -- has come to a bit of a standstill, and perhaps it makes sense to try and "repurpose" to people who are trying to ensure that "the wheels keep turning".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713009">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not that I drive often)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713039" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713039">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I was thinking of things like posting meeting summaries, but I think triage kind of fits into that bucket.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713090">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  that is some of this work should be moved to T-release/WG-triage ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713122">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe, I'm not really sure what the relationship ought to be.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713129" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713129">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it woudl be helpful to try and be more specific about what work we are talking about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713164">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Previously I think the focus of our triage has been:</p>
<ul>
<li>Ensuring that P-high things (regressions, most notably) are making progress</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713177" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713177">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., somebody is assigned, they are not blocked, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713245">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this has been more difficult lately</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713261">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah see <a href="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view#Keeping-up-with-P-high" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view#Keeping-up-with-P-high">hackmd doc section</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713289">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>though we did at least get a lot of them assigned recently</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713297">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>The people like <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="211727">@Jonas Schievink</span> who put labels on fresh issues are doing great job (with an eye on long term maintenance).<br>
Otherwise, I don't think I personally benefited from any other forms of triage.<br>
I triage nightly/beta regressions related to resolve and other parts of the compiler related to me myself.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713350" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713350">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>So there seems to be a few tasks, including:</p>
<ul>
<li>Labeling issues re. teams, semantic area, etc. (T-release)</li>
<li>Bisecting (??)</li>
<li>Minimizing reproducers (Joint T-release  + T-compiler)</li>
<li>Assigning priority on issues to fix (Felix)</li>
<li>Assigning someone to fix an issue (Felix)</li>
<li>Fixing the issues (writing PR)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713351">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>One of the thoughts I've had is that there are often a lot of steps that can be done <em>before</em> the actual fix occurs. Most notably, bisecting, narrowing down the test case.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713359" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713359">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>A lot of time this gets done before hand, but not always.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713404" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713404">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, what <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> said. =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713415">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this could <em>plausibly</em> be some of the work that a compiler "triage team" does -- or maybe the ICE-breaker team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713446" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713446">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Bisecting + Minimizing repros is probably something release-WG-triage / T-release can do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713458" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713458">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>another task that we don't always do, but probably should, is archiving the original <del>bug</del> test case when it wasn't provided as an inline piece of code</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713470">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure what the difference is there, I'm sort of sensing a few areas of possible focus:</p>
<ul>
<li>assigning priority and making sure somebody is assigned</li>
</ul>
<p>vs</p>
<ul>
<li>identify and narrowing down the problem</li>
</ul>
<p>vs</p>
<ul>
<li>actually fixing bugs</li>
</ul>
<p>i.e., there's a spectrum, and I suspect that an ICE-breaker group could indeed do a bit of all 3, depending on how involved the problem is.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713532">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>another task that we don't always do, but probably should, is archiving the original bug when it wasn't provided as an inline piece of code</p>
</blockquote>
<p>e.g. we've had occasions where someone links to an external git repo or branch thereof, and then the bug gets "reduced," but when its time to double-check that the original bug is fixed, the original way to reproduce it is gone.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713554">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Bisecting + Minimizing repros is probably something release-WG-triage / T-release can do</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yeah, so maybe this doesn't belong in the compiler team at all. that's plausible. Something feels a bit funny to me about it though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713568">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regardless of "where" the work formally falls, it'd be nice if we could make it easy to search for bugs that need those things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713571">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> "identify and narrow" seems like 1) minimizing, 2) bisecting, 3) finding the problem in the code</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713582">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>3) is probably for ICE-breakers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713590">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>and writing the PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713592" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713592">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>a reason <del>bisecting</del> <del>reduction</del> minimization could be T-compiler is if it is something we do via automation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713603">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>because that is the kind of thing that often requires compiler tech to do well...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713610" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713610">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Separately I think we should do work to improve cargo-bisect-rustc.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713680">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>a reason bisecting could be T-compiler is if it is something we do via automation</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we had the idea of having some way to mark a reproducer that a bot goes and tests (and adds E-needstest) and bisects it otherwise</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713697">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Minimization feels harder; you need some sort of shrinking via proptesting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713720" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713720">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should separate a bit the automation factor</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713722">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Minimization feels harder; you need some sort of shrinking via proptesting?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah it would probably only be applicable to things like ICEs (that don't require knowledge of the intent of original code)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713730" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713730">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think we should separate a bit the automation factor</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I agree with this, sorry for distraction</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713735" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713735">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>So it seems like the steps for a regression are:</p>
<ul>
<li>[ ] Bisect to nightly or (ideally) PR</li>
<li>[ ] Minimizing test case </li>
</ul>
<p>We could be having some regular task to look at all  (say) regressions that do not have a bisection or a test case and try to assign those out for those purposes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713812">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> typically when I label issues as part of T-release work I also do minimization</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713815">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but not bisecting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713838">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Minimization is also often a good way to aid with bisection)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713843">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Both are pretty useful</p>



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<p>yep; and independently doable <span aria-label="tada" class="emoji emoji-1f389" role="img" title="tada">:tada:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713861">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>So the question is: would this group be better off as part of t-release, or t-compiler?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713864" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713864">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't have a strong opinion about it</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> We can have a joint WG?</p>



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<p>Yes, sure.</p>



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<p>I still like the name ICE-breakers :)</p>



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<p>as an aside ;)</p>



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<p>so some of the things discussed sound like how we are going to deal with new incoming bugs.  And I guess that is what triage means at a hospital (I think)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713987">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>but another issue is that we have a big backlog of issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169713993" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169713993">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess the other question is whether it makes sense to have a <em>distinct</em> set of people that are "ICE-breaking". I a imagining something like this. There coudl be a triage group that basically tries to narrow things down as much as they can and maybe even fix the problem, but at some point can bail out and ask for somebody else to tpick it up.</p>



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<p>And that later point is when "t-compiler proper" gets involved.</p>



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<blockquote>
<p>but another issue is that we have a big backlog of issues</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>   Right; I was thinking ICE-breakers (+ you get a t-shirt with a <span aria-label="pick" class="emoji emoji-26cf" role="img" title="pick">:pick:</span>?) are the folks who write the PRs to fix the ICEs.</p>



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<p>and they can help with minimization and such if they want as well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714096">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>what, the triagers are the ICE-melters then?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714119">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>So maybe there is a T-compiler "ICE-breakers" group and there is wg-triage, and they are distinct things with high overlap.</p>



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<p>I think it's mostly about increasing capacity overall here. (We don't need to draw so fine lines about who gets to do what.)</p>



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<p>I don't know that it's worth thinking about it that way. =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714155">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Exactly</p>



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<p>I guess I think this is the same group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714207" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714207">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>some people within prefer to do bisection etc, some might prefer to write PRs, some do both, but it feels like a common activity -- and a good fit for people looking to get into the compiler, or who just want to put in a few hours here and there to help out</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714265">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>It feels a bit different in terms of skill-sets.<br>
Minimizing and bisecting is easier than writing PRs, I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714279" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714279">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>you don't need to understand the codebase to minimize</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714287">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>or build the compiler locally</p>



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<p>(well, it helps if you understand lowering and MIR building, but it is by no means a must-have)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714341" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714341">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>One other observation: <em>probably</em> a lot of these concerns apply to libs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714346">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Somewhat related: one task that I think might help see bugs get fixed quicker is if during triage, someone worked out what the expected behavior of some code is. I don't know if it is just me who looks at issues and isn't really sure if they're actually supposed to be compiling successfully, or causing an error, etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714348">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Just comes up less often I imagine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714374">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway it comes down to this: I want to try and advertise this effort and I'm trying to figure out how to describe it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714382" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714382">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> hmm. Would a categorization like we used in WG-NLL help here?</p>



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<p>(Also we need to talk about who's going to <em>organize</em> it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714436" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714436">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116107">davidtwco</span> hmm. Would a categorization like we used in WG-NLL help here?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I think something like that would help.</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span>  good point; T-release triage could be clearer wrt. this... might need more labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714464" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714464">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Tho if it is <code>A-diagnostics</code> it means it should be an error.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714476">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>right but sometimes that means it <em>is</em> an error, but the error needs improvement</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714489">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep; C-enhancement A-diagnostics?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714496">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>also A-suggestion-diagnostics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714504">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Who is organizing the T-release wg-triage again?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714517" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714517">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> @dpc is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714529" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714529">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Also, I think this is a good example of something that doesn't fit the "defined scope" t-compiler working groups -- it's more of an "ongoing effort")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714533">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Not sure if that matters.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714552">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Just an opportunity to find a nice new term, wg is kind of overloaded)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714621">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's very fresh; they just had their first meeting on Discord and have only talked about PR triage (S-waiting-on) and how to ping y'all.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714655">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have a question -- we have traditionally had T-compiler doing some amount of deciding what is p-high and not. But I think that is something that we could plausibly move to release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714676" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714676">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Basically: help us figure out what to fix, based on impact etc. Of course, part of the "Fix" might be saying "This is expected"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714748" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714748">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's reasonable; we can do that and then the compiler team can override if necessary</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714759">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span>  <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span>  ^---</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714772">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we need to write-up some notes, try to make a proposal, and try to have a "release team / compiler" joint chat to discuss?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714783" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714783">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>(as a next step)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714793" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714793">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've been hesitant historically to do so. Most people triaging don't have as much experience. But that does sound intriguing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714910" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714910">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Probably wg-triage / compiler, perhaps, though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714915" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714915">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Importance of an issue and priority of its fix indeed look like more a release team territory.</p>



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<blockquote>
<p>Of course, part of the "Fix" might be saying "This is expected"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Sometimes this also requires a language team member to review an issue ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714920">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> you mean hesitant to assign P-labels?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714928">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like this si s a pretty important job. I want to give this group some...authority.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714948">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>P-labels less so -- but things like "this is expected" even for me often feel like maybe even a lang team call</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714950">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(That's for P-high issues, for P-medium and P-low I still don't see why those labels are useful.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714965">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>P-labels less so -- but things like "this is expected" even for me often feel like maybe even a lang team call</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah that's sort of out of scope I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714971">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also t-lib's call</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714975">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think basically saying "This is worth you spending time on" is good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714984" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714984">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure, yeah, that makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169714990" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169714990">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely think we could use a I-nominated-but-like-not-urgent</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715001">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we need to ensure that wee have T-compiler members to have some voice during these decisions (about e.g. P-labels), in order to try to push back against having too many things on our plate?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715003">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>(maybe that's P-med)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715011">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>... an if release team has questions, then I-nominated is the way to reroute the issue to the compiler team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715061" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715061">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Do we need to ensure that wee have T-compiler members to have some voice during these decisions (about e.g. P-labels), in order to try to push back against having too many things on our plate?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we should, this is probably the "compiler team ice-breaker" role</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715063">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>or part of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715064">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>or should the problem of "too many things on plate" be handled in some other manner, after the fact?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715066">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(do we want <code>I-nominated-compiler</code>?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715098">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think we should, this is probably the "compiler team ice-breaker" role</p>
</blockquote>
<p>by this I just meant: compiler team should have some folks who are part of wg-triage :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715099" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715099">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure -- haven't read scrollback -- but maybe what we want is to for now just do I-nominated-compiler?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715100">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think at this point we need at least I-nominated-compiler and I-nominated-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715121" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715121">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, we definitely need more nominated labels :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715127" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715127">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe I-attention + T-{foo}?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715135">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>no, that's too ambiguous</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715147">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems like just renaming I-nominated :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715153">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>with nominated meaning "urgent" and attention "good to look at"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715159">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>()if we always only labelled issues with just one team, then this wouldn't be an issue)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715167">(Jul 05 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(( but we obviously cannot do that ))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715219" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715219">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>perhaps <code>N-foo</code> ("nominated for reason foo")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715222" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715222">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>My concern historically has been that nominated issues feel like "please resolve this ASAP"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715229" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715229">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> Consider <code>T-lang + T-compiler + P-high + I-nominated</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715241">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>this seems like a good thing to toss onto that triage hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715242">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, okay, I can go for T-nominated-{team}</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715245">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>we're at 11am, I think we made some progress here but I"d like to figure out what it comes down to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715247">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not sure if we should discuss now)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715265">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> what are the set of <code>foo</code>s in <code>N-foo</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715291">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> JIT-created</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715294">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would go and look, but there are often a number of reasons we nominate things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715328" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715328">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., "prioritize", "decide what semantics are", "impl complexity concern"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715335">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>just grouping by team is prob a good start</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715337">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>  does that have a tracing GC? ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715393" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715393">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there's a couple main buckets: "please make a decision" (though we also have I-needs-decision, fwiw); "please find a mentor"; "semantics decision"; "can we close?"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715410" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715410">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>decision sort of falls into the others but is a bit more broad I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715450" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715450">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>(don't we have E-needs-mentor?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715475">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we had at least a few things brought up:</p>
<ul>
<li>refining the nomination system to be per-team (easy)</li>
<li>some joint effort (wg-triage?) to prioritize bugs and do minimizations<br>
    - also, an ICE-breaker group on rustc side who want to do smaller, isolated fixes<br>
    - not clear just what these divisions are to me yet :)</li>
<li>expand and review expert map</li>
<li>review existing PRs to try to find a plan for reviews over next N weeks</li>
</ul>
<p>some things we should toss for further discussion:</p>
<ul>
<li>how to stay on top of reviewing queue?</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715483">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>So - yes - but my impression is teams don't look at that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715556">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>if someone says "I want to do this, but need help" I want some way to surface that beyond "let's just ping compiler team and hope for the best"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715571">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I added E-needs-mentor because, during impl period, I was spending some time just writing mmentoring instructions to help get people involved.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715587">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I hoped to make that a more regular activity :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715590">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't thikn it's seen a ton of use</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715600" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715600">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>how to stay on top of reviewing queue?</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://github.com/pulls/assigned" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/pulls/assigned">https://github.com/pulls/assigned</a> +  <code>S-waiting-on</code> labels?<br>
(That's all I use basically.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715627">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or do you mean, as a team?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715676" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715676">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://github.com/pulls/assigned" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/pulls/assigned">https://github.com/pulls/assigned</a> + S-waiting-on labels?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>o.O; useful, thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715686">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Or do you mean, as a team?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think this was intent. after all, it was a concern you yourself rose, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715692" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715692">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have to go and time's up but the main thing I want to know is:</p>
<ul>
<li>Is somebody keen to try and organize and refine this joint triage effort?</li>
</ul>
<p>(I think figuring out how to find good mentors / assignees is definitely part of that)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715712" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715712">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Would it make sense to do triage on PRs for review difficulty?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715737" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715737">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think talking to dpc is probably a good first step here, I don't want to step on toes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715747" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715747">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I don't have bandwidth for organizational work on this scale personally :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715749">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Definitely, I imagined the next step would <em>mostly</em> be sending an e-mail with a summary of the thoughts and cc'ing dpc and a few others</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715814">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and trying to arrange a place to chat and refine)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715830">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can plausibly do this =) but I was curious if somebody else had interest.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715840">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seems like something I should be involved in <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715901">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>(did we really address  questions of how things will be handled with niko and myself absent? I guess we sort of thrashed about talking about reviews....)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715908">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Would it make sense to do triage on PRs for review difficulty?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>e.g. I'd be happy to review simpler PRs in areas that I'm familiar with, but I'm very cautious of not being assigned things that I'm not qualified to review and making mistakes by approving code I shouldn't be. If that took some load off of team members then would that be good.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715984" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715984">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>(did we really address  questions of how things will be handled with niko and myself absent? I guess we sort of thrashed about talking about reviews....)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>from a release team perspective it'd be good to know "who to ping" basically</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715991">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Zulip have a bot assign <code>size-XL</code>, <code>size-L</code> labels on incoming PRs)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169715992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169715992">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. point person</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716024">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> there's the experts map, but it's sparse</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716047">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> more so like "we need this PR approved tonight"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716054">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>(for backports, etc.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716060">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716130" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716130">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I've found that a lot of the time I can leave a comment essentially saying r=me if you feel that's reasonable, and the author has a better sense of whether you're qualified enough to review their patch :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716140" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716140">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> can we have <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> be point person for such matters in our absence? I don't know if they signed on for that load.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716159">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>fwiw I don't think it's a big load, but it is the sort of load that is always unexpected</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716287">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will run meetings on whatever few weeks both of you are absent.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716386" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716386">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>unless a train falls onto me or something; at which point I’ll do my best to let it know that meeting(s) are cancelled or redelegate driving to somebody else ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716461">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> </p>
<blockquote>
<p>I'd be happy to review simpler PRs in areas that I'm familiar with</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think I'll have exactly what you want this weekend - a huge PR refactoring resolve with simple individual commits.<br>
Now I know who I can assign it to!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716571">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span>  have fun with that =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716599" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716599">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="nervous" class="emoji emoji-1f62c" role="img" title="nervous">:nervous:</span> <span aria-label="laughing" class="emoji emoji-1f606" role="img" title="laughing">:laughing:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716619">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I have plans for huge PRs to refactor <code>parser.rs</code> into smaller files. =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716650">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also happy to take some of those PRs on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716705">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also happy to review stuff that I'm familiar with</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716717">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is not a lot probably but still if I can help I'd be happy to do so :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716721">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>We need an "not-quite-experts-yet" map.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716749">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span>  yes I thought the experts map was a bit too selective</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716759">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Can we have expertise-levels in that map maybe?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716774" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716774">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>1-5... or something like that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716838">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>Would it make sense to do triage on PRs for review difficulty?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>e.g. I'd be happy to review simpler PRs in areas that I'm familiar with, but I'm very cautious of not being assigned things that I'm not qualified to review and making mistakes by approving code I shouldn't be. If that took some load off of team members then would that be good.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'd worry about the same thing, don't want to approve stuff that I'm not very strong about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716856">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd be more comfortable putting my name onto the expert map if it wasn't a binary expert-or-not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716868">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think levels are a great idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716869" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716869">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>E.g. I feel comfortable reviewing most code in <code>parser.rs</code> that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119031">@Esteban Küber</span>  might throw at me but not comfortable with reviewing some of the macros stuff or weird Span infrastructure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169716976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169716976">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I will note is that a lot of the time if you don't think you know enough to review something or are struggling to understand that might be a good opportunity for comments/docs (perhaps in rustc-guide)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717029" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717029">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(so tell people!)</p>



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<p>Or in the code; sometimes when I ask for comments it is because of that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717122">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116107">davidtwco</span>  yes I thought the experts map was a bit too selective</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I wanted to rename from experts to something else in part for this reason</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717145">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, yes, I highly recommend the "Review by interrogation" strategy -- ask the questions and then try to get somebody to answer (either PR author or somebody else)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717147">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>(knowledge map?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717155">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>We have a compiler team member vs contributor grades now, the expert map can use it too.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717252">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>So an action item is to add levels / grades to the experts map starting with the existing people?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169717285" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169717285">(Jul 05 2019 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>(a numbered system seems good, cause e.g. I'm not on the "compiler team contributors" but I think it's my duty as a language team member to learn how the compiler works)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019-07-05/near/169907287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019-07-05.html#169907287">(Jul 08 2019 at 21:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I created minutes from this meeting:</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/114" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/114">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/114</a></p>
<p>I also noted down the following action items:</p>
<p>Emerging from this meeting:</p>
<ul>
<li>Extend expert map with member/contributor levels</li>
<li>Create a compiler-team PTO calendar where people can note their upcoming absences</li>
<li>Join discussion with #wg-triage</li>
</ul>



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